One day and counting
So, they've been bust for over a day now - and it seems that the number of effected forums is growing.
Surely such a poor performance in something as simple as a web forum isn't going to install much confidence in the posters here as to the ability of sun to support software.
As far as I can tell there's also still been no word from the "powers that be" giving any indication as to when they're going to pull their fingers out and actually do something about it.
This is a real cop out.
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Oh, and to the poster of "validate phone number pattern xxx xxx xxxx . in struts" in forum 31 - Im putting the answer here becuase its driving me mad.
You want to use a "mask" validator to "validate format according to a regular expression". This is a built in validator - you just supply a regular expression as an argument. In your case, a regular expression which matches your phone number pattern.
As usual, its all in the user docs, which can be found here: http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/dev_validator.html
at 2007-7-15 14:00:34 >
(See http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=657109&tstart=0)
at 2007-7-15 14:00:34 >
> Surely such a poor performance in something as simple
> as a web forum isn't going to install much confidence
> in the posters here as to the ability of sun to
> support software.
There were people that had confidence about that?
> As far as I can tell there's also still been no word
> from the "powers that be" giving any indication as to
> when they're going to pull their fingers out and
> actually do something about it.
Sorry, the oligarchy is out to lunch, and DrClap is busy burning the flood of love letters sent by Goldie.
> Sorry, the oligarchy is out to lunch, and DrClap is busy burning the flood of love letters sent by Goldie.By "powers that be" I mean Sun, of course :o)Who are the "oligarchy"?
These forums really do seem to be getting worse over time. And I agree, it's pretty poor advertising.
... just testing, please ignore me.kind regards,Jos
JosAHa at 2007-7-15 14:00:34 >
> These forums really do seem to be getting worse over> time. And I agree, it's pretty poor advertising.Ack.
> please ignore me.Always did.
> > These forums really do seem to be getting worse> over> > time. And I agree, it's pretty poor advertising.> > Ack.Does troll have skills to atack this forum? Did really the troll provoke this?
> Does troll have skills to atack this forum? Did> really the troll provoke this?I doubt it; the "improvements" have been goobering up the forums all on their own for some time now...
> I doubt it; the "improvements" have been goobering up> the forums all on their own for some time now...Did I mention that from an angle of more than +15? the post-separating bar in invisible on my laptop screen?
> Who are the "oligarchy"?Still interested in this if anyone would like to enlighten me...?
> Still interested in this if anyone would like to
> enlighten me...?
The gang of bullies on this board, according to Goldie. They're kept in check by DrClap if he's around, but otherwise do nothing but deciding which newbie is allowed to post in here and which isn't, severely flaming the innocent posters.
The oligarchy consists of, among others, duffymo, jverd, yawmark and myself IIRC, with Jos and KajBj being basically good guys and just followers, and UJ and Annie being our female puppets.
> > Who are the "oligarchy"?
>
> Still interested in this if anyone would like to
> enlighten me...?
The oligarchy are the forum 'Illuminati'. They control whether your posts are/or accounts are deleted. Most of them live in a giant golden submarine in the Atlantic Ocean. The rest live in a chamber 500 feet beneath the Pentagon.
Ahhhh, I see.Thanks for clearing that one up!
at 2007-7-20 12:25:05 >
> > Does troll have skills to atack this forum? Did
> > really the troll provoke this?
>
> I doubt it; the "improvements" have been goobering up
> the forums all on their own for some time now...
I doubt it, too. But we dont know the gender of the troll yet. If the troll is a woman, so...you know...when a woman wants to convince some man to do something...she can convince! :-))))))
> The oligarchy are the forum 'Illuminati'. They
> control whether your posts are/or accounts are
> deleted. Most of them live in a giant golden
> submarine in the Atlantic Ocean. The rest live in a
> chamber 500 feet beneath the Pentagon.
Shhht!
(It's the Pacific.)
Probably the troll is a man, but, Im not sure...
> Probably the troll is a man, but, Im not sure...If I claim he's a woman, I'd be facing a feminist mob.
> > Probably the troll is a man, but, Im not sure...> > If I claim he's a woman, I'd be facing a feminist mob.u bad man racist
What amazes me is that no-one at Sun has even bothered to post something to one of the forums updating people on the crappy show of affairs.
I appreciate it might take them a while to find a forum which is actually working, but at least it would show a little appreciation for the people who voluntarily give up their time to help others with java.
The more I think about it the more the blanket of silence annoys me.
Sun would exhibit some message like "Forum temporarily in maintenance", wouldnt it?
> What amazes me is that no-one at Sun has even> bothered to post something to one of the forums> updating people on the crappy show of affairs.What makes you think that? They might be trying to, but for some reasons the posts don't stay...
> Sun would exhibit some message like "Forum
> temporarily in maintenance", wouldnt it?
http://forum.java.sun.com/
Welcome to our online community. We've just upgraded our forums software and are also now running under Sun ONE Application Server 7.0. Stay tuned in the coming weeks and months for new topic forums and features. You can browse directly in any of the forums below, or login or register to start posting your own messages.
I think that qualifies. ;)
(Though I'm afraid of the "new features" they planned.)
> > Sun would exhibit some message like "Forum
> > temporarily in maintenance", wouldnt it?
>
> http://forum.java.sun.com/
>
> Welcome to our online community. We've just
> upgraded our forums software and are also now running
> under Sun ONE Application Server 7.0. Stay tuned in
> the coming weeks and months for new topic forums and
> features. You can browse directly in any of the
> forums below, or login or register to start posting
> your own messages.
>
> I think that qualifies. ;)
>
> (Though I'm afraid of the "new features" they
> planned.)
New features...maybe they are upgrading from Java 1.4 to Java Tiger!
:-)))))
> What makes you think that? They might be trying to, but for some reasons the posts don't stay...
I doubt it.
Its just quite annoying that there are people around here who have been members for several years, providing newbies and more experienced java programmers alike with help and guidence - all free of charge - which of course, is in Suns interest.
To leave this place in such a poor state for a day and a half is bad enough, but to leave everyone completely in the dark about it is twice as bad.
Its a bit like rail delays. Customers go mad if trains are delayed, but they go even more mad if no-one bothers to tell them what the cause of the problem is, or how long it is likely to be until normal service is resumed.
Sorry for ranting - there's just nothing else to do :o)
I think most of those that have been here for years are either taking a day off or don't bother anymore, as they know Sun by now.
I think most of the people here (okay, I'll step back and just say me) would be willing to take a look and FIX whatever is going wrong!
I posted this earlier, but they should really open-source the forum software. Make a special forum for enhancements, etc. Or even use something *existing* like CVS or whatnot. However, Sun's staff of interns or first-years plainly cannot handle updating this site.
- Saish
Saisha at 2007-7-20 12:25:06 >
> > please ignore me.> > Always did.Hey, that's cute because my reply didn't show up at first. Does thatimply they're working on this **** forum software now.kind regards,Jos (I'm not replying to Ceci whatsoever though ;-)
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:06 >
> I posted this earlier, but they should really> open-source the forum software.IIRC, the forum software is Jive, which *is* open source (what Sun does with it is another story).
> Hey, that's cute because my reply didn't show up at
> first. Does that
> imply they're working on this **** forum software
> now.
Maybe you just didn't refresh.
> Jos (I'm not replying to Ceci whatsoever though ;-)
I ignore you ignoring me.
> > I posted this earlier, but they should really
> > open-source the forum software.
>
> IIRC, the forum software is Jive, which *is* open
> source (what Sun does with it is another story).
IDRC.
Jive is a commercial product. This is old, but may provide some insights: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/javaopensource/jive/
> > I posted this earlier, but they should really
> > open-source the forum software.
>
> IIRC, the forum software is Jive, which *is* open
> source (what Sun does with it is another story).
And open-source is not a warranty for quality. the popular stuff is very good as everyone wants to work on it, and the unpopular stuff remains crappy, because it's too much to do for the two persons actually interested it.
> > Hey, that's cute because my reply didn't show up at
> > first. Does that imply they're working on this **** forum software
> > now.
>
> Maybe you just didn't refresh.
I did; I'm just trying to figure out what has gone berzerk: IMHO it's
some PK generator that can't stand the ruthless pruning that happened
the last couple of days. The calling party ignores the insertion of a new
reply failure and continues to send email notifications, watch updates etc.
> > Jos (I'm not replying to Ceci whatsoever though ;-)
>
> I ignore you ignoring me.
Not that I'm replying to your reply though: I'm simply ignoring the folks
who ignore my ignoring to them (ahem ;-)
kind regards,
Jos
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
> I think most of those that have been here for years are either taking a day off or don't bother anymore, as they know Sun by now.
Yes - and they (and you) are the same people who have essentially been providing a free service to Sun for the past x years - undoubtedly aiding at some level the uptake of the java language.
My humble view is that Sun should show more respect to these people.
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
Not that I'm replying to your reply though: I'm simply ignoring the folkswho ignore my ignoring to them (ahem ;-)My head just melted.- Saish
Saisha at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
Wow, a working forum.[url= http://swforum.sun.com/jive/profile.jspa?userID=20449]html is back, and I have one post![/url]Sun, great stuff!
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
> Wow, a working forum.> > [url= http://swforum.sun.com/jive/profile.jspa?userID=20449]html is back, and I have one post![/url]> > Sun, great stuff!The algorithms forum still (sort of) works ...kind regards,Jos
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
> > Wow, a working forum.
> >
> >
> [url=http://swforum.sun.com/jive/profile.jspa?userID=2
> 0449]html is back, and I have one post![/url]
> >
> > Sun, great stuff!
>
> The algorithms forum still (sort of) works ...
Shh! They'll notice *looks about shiftily*
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
> > > Wow, a working forum.
> > > [url=http://swforum.sun.com/jive/profile.jspa?userID=20449]html is back, and I have one post![/url]
> > >
> > > Sun, great stuff!
> >
> > The algorithms forum still (sort of) works ...
>
> Shh! They'll notice *looks about shiftily*
I apologise, I intended to type the 'Toys-R-Us-forum' is still doing fine.
Nononono, sorry, my mistake, the 'Ronald-Mc-Donald' forum ..., no,
wrong again (stupid fingers): google is the only site that is still operational.
Yes, that's it: google and my website. There are just *two* things
operating properly here: google, my little website and my old Renault diesel.
I mean, there are only *three* operational things in this Solar system:
google, my website, my old diesel and my trustworthy lapt^H^RCARRIER LOST
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
Well, slap me silly and call me Wendy, it looks like N2J is working again!
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
> Well, slap me silly and call me Wendy, it looks like N2J is working again!Well Wendy, it worked. But that's all that worked so, bend over andI'll slap you silly ;-)kind regards,Jos (... what a mess ...)
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:10 >
Hello,The forum thread you reference here ispart of the Archived Forums. We are awareof the problem and will be looking in tothis matter.Sincerely,Sun Web TeamSun Microsystems, Inc.
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:11 >
Good Morning JDC!I see Mike earned a new nickname. I like it. :)
Well, that did not last long.This really makes me want to run out and buy Sun ONE Application Server 7.0. Or at lest upgrade our Sun ONE webserver to Microsoft DOS v3.
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
> Well, that did not last long.
>
> This really makes me want to run out and buy Sun ONE
> Application Server 7.0. Or at lest upgrade our Sun
> ONE webserver to Microsoft DOS v3.
I remember trying to find a J2EE SDK download that didn't come bundled with Sun One AS. I don't remember how it ended.
> > Well, that did not last long.
> >
> > This really makes me want to run out and buy Sun
> ONE
> > Application Server 7.0. Or at lest upgrade our Sun
> > ONE webserver to Microsoft DOS v3.
>
> I remember trying to find a J2EE SDK download that
> didn't come bundled with Sun One AS. I don't remember
> how it ended.
Ah yes, I remember how my quest ended - with me thinking "that's a whole lot of trouble just for j2ee.jar".
tsitha at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
> Ah yes, I remember how my quest ended - with me> thinking "that's a whole lot of trouble just for> j2ee.jar".Does it mean there is one? I think I just continued using version 1.2 instead of 1.4.
> Does it mean there is one? I think I just continued> using version 1.2 instead of 1.4.Yepp, there is. Found it. Now I remember.
still can't post or reply to "new to java" or "java programming". Others, too. Day 3! Nice work, guys.%
It's like Russian Roulette. Now, there are different fora that I cannot post to. (Sigh)- Saish
Saisha at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
testing one, two, five ...kind regards,Jos
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
> testing one, two, five ...You failed, its one, two, eight!Crazy Europeans!
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
> > testing one, two, five ...> > You failed, its one, two, eight!> Crazy Europeans!According to U2 it's 1,2,3,14
> > testing one, two, five ...
>
> You failed, its one, two, eight!
> Crazy Europeans!
Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch,
saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies
to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon
the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and
breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy
Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the
counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou
not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then
proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the
number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand
Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight,
shall snuff it."
kind regards,
Jos (one, two, five!)
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
> testing one, two, five ...Three, sir.
Ahh its Monty time.OOooooooooooooooo I'm a Lumberjack *splat*
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
The BBC would like to interrupt this programme for the following announcement:
"The current poster does not wear women's clothing and does not
belong to any society that is related to cannibalism".
Back to your regular scheduled programme ...
kind regards,
Jos (Mrs. in a white wine sauce)
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
> > > testing one, two, five ...
> >
> > You failed, its one, two, eight!
> > Crazy Europeans!
>
> According to U2 it's 1,2,3,14
Man - Vertigo rocked - but the rest of the album didn't quite work out for me (maybe it'll grow on me, I dunno).
But this forum thing, come ON - you can't tell me that Sun deploys new software to production servers untested... well, I mean, I guess they do, but isn't that pretty Mickey Mouse (no offense to Mickey, just a figure of speech) especially for a large and venerable organization like Sun "the Network is the Computer" Microsystems?
Cripes.
tsitha at 2007-7-20 12:25:15 >
This is day four now isn't it?kind regards,Jos
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
try this http://forum.java.sun.com/post!default.jspa?forumID=31
kanada at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
Yeap, [url= http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=661831]you can create threads[/url], alas they don't exist after creation.
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
> Man - Vertigo rocked - but the rest of the album> didn't quite work out for me (maybe it'll grow on me,> I dunno).I never grew to like U2, but I think the video of "Vertigo" was great.
Did this little thread die too now?kind regards,Jos
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
> Did this little thread die too now?
No it didn't, but DrLaszloJamf's reply didn't make it although I did
receive an email notification about his reply. Oh well, that's what bugs
are all about: non-deterministic behaviour and evil to the bone ;-)
kind regards,
Jos
ps. this is all so amateurish ...
JosAHa at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
> > Did this little thread die too now?
>
> No it didn't, but DrLaszloJamf's reply didn't make it although I did
> receive an email notification about his reply. Oh well, that's what bugs
> are all about: non-deterministic behaviour and evil to the bone ;-)
And it was a good post, too, comparing us to residents of New Orleans
who refuse to vacate their ravaged city, even as Sun comes in to
remove us by force...
> And it was a good post, too, comparing us to> residents of New Orleans> who refuse to vacate their ravaged city, even as Sun> comes in to> remove us by force... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/01/new_orleans_hosting_survivors/
mlka at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
Java Programming appears to be WORKING again! :^)- Saish
Saisha at 2007-7-20 12:25:20 >
