Sir,
Judging by the number of posts you have made, one could tell that you are a guru in this business. What's the secrete? From the way I am going, I feel like it's going to take for ever to know this stuff.Can you give some practical advise? I thought I liked programming, but the more I try to learn it the wider and more difficult it tends or appears to be.
Thanks,
ue_Joe
That's not the issue. jverd has a wealth of experience. This is the issue. How about if i told you that I am a Bushman from the kalahari desert? Give me some advise on coding. I need the skill of Java programming to be a better food gatherer. Is this too much to ask for?
ue_Joe.
If you need to learn programming start with the basics
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigindex.html
mastering java takes time and you need to read and practice to master it.
read the guide below by Peter Norvig: Teach yourself programming in 10 years
he stated:
Walk into any bookstore, and you'll see how to Teach Yourself Java in 7 Days alongside endless variations offering to teach Visual Basic, Windows, the Internet, and so on in a few days or hours. I did the following power search at Amazon.com
The conclusion is that either people are in a big rush to learn about computers, or that computers are somehow fabulously easier to learn than anything else. There are no books on how to learn Beethoven, or Quantum Physics, or even Dog Grooming in a few days.
source: http://norvig.com/21-days.html
Thanks yannix. Very philosophical. Obvious you too have lots of experience in this field. I must say that I have learned quite a lot from my few sparce posts on the forum. Still, I would like to read what jverd or anyone else has to add to this before I wander into the desert.
ue_Joe.
HI
Like some people are born with silver spoon or talent by birth, Jverd also is born with the talent of developing zest for knowing and exploring programming and developing skills... Its amazing that Jverd is one among ppl who is born with a mind to be zestful and a patient character. !
Its great to have Jverd here among us in the forums !
We need more such ppl !
> Like some people are born with silver spoon or talent
> by birth
There are so much of people being supremacy in swimming. But they do not know swimming when they born. Being a supremacy thats act of their life passed through.
Lets hear some biography of jverd
i resurected this thread so you could kiss jverds ***.
its 2 years old. he's loved before and he'll love again.
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=622186&tstart=0
Remember, there's always a trade-off though. God may have blessed jverd with a nerdy, analytical brain but was given no tact or manners and probably has a small wiener.
Then again, he must have a large bladder because he's always getting into pissing matches ;-)
What a silly question. Jeff's guru-like qualities come from experience, that's about it. There's no secret, it's simple maths: aptitude + experience = guruship
You've either got an aptitude or you haven't, it can't be taught. Here's a quote for you:
"I'm not a great programmer, I'm just a good programmer with great habits" - Kent Beck
> Sir,
> Judging by the number of posts you have made, one
> could tell that you are a guru in this business.
No. All you can tell from the number of posts is that I never shutup. The are plenty of talkative idiots in the world.
> What's the secrete? From the way I am going, I feel
> like it's going to take for ever to know this stuff.
> Can you give some practical advise? I thought I
> liked programming, but the more I try to learn it
> the wider and more difficult it tends or appears to
> be.
No secret, really. It's like anything else. If you like doing it and have some level of natural ability, you'll do well. Unless you're some kind of supergenius though, you'll also need many years of experience to develop true expertise.
In my own case, I was a developer for maybe 6 or 8 years before I even touched Java, and I've been working with Java almost constantly for about 9 years now. I do have some natural ability--my mind tends to work in a logical, analytical way--but I'm not a genius by any stretch. I also happen to really like doing this though.
There's still a LOT that I don't know, though, and I still find myself feeling way behind the curve when reading what some of the really smart people here have to say.
I suppose the right attitude in those situations must help a lot too. When you feel stupid for not knowing something, you can either feel sorry for yourself and whine about it, or you can use it as motivation to learn more.
> Remember, there's always a trade-off though. God may
> have blessed jverd with a nerdy, analytical brain but
> was given no tact or manners and probably has a small
> wiener.
Hey! We had a deal! You promised not to tell anyone I have a small weiner and I promised not to tell anyone that you wear diapers and live in your mom's basement.
> If you need to learn programming start with the
> basics
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigin
> dex.html
>
> mastering java takes time and you need to read and
> practice to master it.
>
> read the guide below by Peter Norvig: Teach yourself
> programming in 10 years
> he stated:
> Walk into any bookstore, and you'll see how to
> Teach Yourself Java in 7 Days alongside endless
> variations offering to teach Visual Basic, Windows,
> the Internet, and so on in a few days or hours. I did
> the following power search at Amazon.com
>
> The conclusion is that either people are in a big
> rush to learn about computers, or that computers are
> somehow fabulously easier to learn than anything
> else. There are no books on how to learn Beethoven,
> or Quantum Physics, or even Dog Grooming in a few
> days.
> source: http://norvig.com/21-days.html
HuH?!
http://books.google.com/books?id=LfmnAAAACAAJ&dq=Dog+Grooming+for+dummies
~Bill
> > If you need to learn programming start with the
> > basics
> >
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigin
>
> > dex.html
> >
> > mastering java takes time and you need to read and
> > practice to master it.
> >
> > read the guide below by Peter Norvig: Teach
> yourself
> > programming in 10 years
> > he stated:
> > Walk into any bookstore, and you'll see how to
> > Teach Yourself Java in 7 Days alongside endless
> > variations offering to teach Visual Basic,
> Windows,
> > the Internet, and so on in a few days or hours. I
> did
> > the following power search at Amazon.com
> >
> > The conclusion is that either people are in a
> big
> > rush to learn about computers, or that computers
> are
> > somehow fabulously easier to learn than anything
> > else. There are no books on how to learn
> Beethoven,
> > or Quantum Physics, or even Dog Grooming in a few
> > days.
> > source: http://norvig.com/21-days.html
>
> HuH?!
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=LfmnAAAACAAJ&dq=Dog+G
> rooming+for+dummies
>
> ~Bill
Heh heh, nice find!
Doesn't guarantee success in 21 days though, does it?
I think the referenced article is definately worth a read, though
> > > If you need to learn programming start with the
> > > basics
> > >
> >
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigin
>
> >
> > > dex.html
> > >
> > > mastering java takes time and you need to read
> and
> > > practice to master it.
> > >
> > > read the guide below by Peter Norvig: Teach
> > yourself
> > > programming in 10 years
> > > he stated:
> > > Walk into any bookstore, and you'll see how
> to
> > > Teach Yourself Java in 7 Days alongside endless
> > > variations offering to teach Visual Basic,
> > Windows,
> > > the Internet, and so on in a few days or hours.
> I
> > did
> > > the following power search at Amazon.com
> > >
> > > The conclusion is that either people are in a
> > big
> > > rush to learn about computers, or that computers
> > are
> > > somehow fabulously easier to learn than anything
> > > else. There are no books on how to learn
> > Beethoven,
> > > or Quantum Physics, or even Dog Grooming in a
> few
> > > days.
> > > source: http://norvig.com/21-days.html
> >
> > HuH?!
> >
> >
> http://books.google.com/books?id=LfmnAAAACAAJ&dq=Dog+G
>
> > rooming+for+dummies
> >
> > ~Bill
>
> Heh heh, nice find!
>
> Doesn't guarantee success in 21 days though, does
> it?
>
> I think the referenced article is definately worth a
> read, though
Nah, but we know too that just about no-one is gonna learn programming in 21 days either ... so the promise or lack thereof is really meaningless.
> Chuck Norris could learn Java in 21 days!
Hmmm, as Spock would perhaps have said: "I fail to see the significance of using a Marshal artist and actor's implied qualifications in the context the conversation"
> > Chuck Norris could learn Java in 21 days!
>
> Hmmm, as Spock would perhaps have said: "I fail to
> see the significance of using a Marshal artist and
> actor's implied qualifications in the context the
> conversation"
Except Spock would've spelled "martial" correctly and inserted the word "of" after the word "context" ;-)
If you dont know why Chuck Norris is relevant then you are
either presently or soon to be kicked in the face by him.
> > > Chuck Norris could learn Java in 21 days!
> >
> > Hmmm, as Spock would perhaps have said: "I fail to
> > see the significance of using a Marshal artist and
> > actor's implied qualifications in the context the
> > conversation"
>
> Except Spock would've spelled "martial" correctly and
> inserted the word "of" after the word "context" ;-)
Nonsense, he was always overrated for his grammer, diction and spelling ... w/o those scripts - nothing! Also, you ever hear him sing?
> > > > Chuck Norris could learn Java in 21 days!
> > >
> > > Hmmm, as Spock would perhaps have said: "I fail
> to
> > > see the significance of using a Marshal artist
> and
> > > actor's implied qualifications in the context
> the
> > > conversation"
> >
> > Except Spock would've spelled "martial" correctly
> and
> > inserted the word "of" after the word "context"
> ;-)
>
> Nonsense, he was always overrated for his grammer,
> diction and spelling ... w/o those scripts - nothing!
> Also, you ever hear him sing?
Touche
> If you dont know why Chuck Norris is relevant then
> you are
> either presently or soon to be kicked in the face by
> him.
Nonsense (I am on a "no-nonsense" kick, today) - chuck w/o those scripts - nothing!
> > > > > Chuck Norris could learn Java in 21 days!
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, as Spock would perhaps have said: "I
> fail
> > to
> > > > see the significance of using a Marshal artist
> > and
> > > > actor's implied qualifications in the context
> > the
> > > > conversation"
> > >
> > > Except Spock would've spelled "martial"
> correctly
> > and
> > > inserted the word "of" after the word "context"
> > ;-)
> >
> > Nonsense, he was always overrated for his grammer,
> > diction and spelling ... w/o those scripts -
> nothing!
> > Also, you ever hear him sing?
>
> Touche
You sure that's not "tooshea"? ;o)
> > If you dont know why Chuck Norris is relevant then
> > you are
> > either presently or soon to be kicked in the face
> by
> > him.
>
> Nonsense (I am on a "no-nonsense" kick, today) -
> chuck w/o those scripts - nothing!
Kick - I get it. Ha!
You know they have those "King Kong vs Gotzilla", "Dracula vs Francenstein", "Alien vs Predetor" movies ... wonder why they never made a "Seagal vs Norris", or "Van Dam vs Seagal" movie or somesuch - not that I'd want to watch it, since I detest violence ... just curious though, now that the subject was broached ... or now that I am attempting to force fit it into the context somehow ;o) At any rate most of this thread is off-topic, so ...
> ... since I detest violence ...
What kind of a programmer are you?!
> Nah, but we know too that just about no-one is gonna
> learn programming in 21 days either ... so the
> promise or lack thereof is really meaningless.
I wonder which one would be quicker though?
After all it might seem relatively easy to groom a well behaved toy poodle but what does it take to deal with a vicious irish wolfhound?
And it is easier to be incompetent for 20 years in dog grooming or in computer programming?
> > Nah, but we know too that just about no-one is
> gonna
> > learn programming in 21 days either ... so the
> > promise or lack thereof is really meaningless.
>
> I wonder which one would be quicker though?
>
> After all it might seem relatively easy to groom a
> well behaved toy poodle but what does it take to deal
> with a vicious irish wolfhound?
Thanks for the visual
>
> And it is easier to be incompetent for 20 years in
> dog grooming or in computer programming?
In my limited experience, I think the latter. But then, common wisdom would seem to indicate that the mere act of doing it day in and day out would lead to competency in most everything - but I've worked with some folk where that didn't appear to be the case.
yeah, there's a few politicians that have been doing what they do for decades and still suck
> > Nah, but we know too that just about no-one is
> gonna
> > learn programming in 21 days either ... so the
> > promise or lack thereof is really meaningless.
>
> I wonder which one would be quicker though?
>
> After all it might seem relatively easy to groom a
> well behaved toy poodle but what does it take to deal
> with a vicious irish wolfhound?
>
> And it is easier to be incompetent for 20 years in
> dog grooming or in computer programming?
I ran this through my getSupremeUltimateCompetancyComparisonFinderMethod(Object one, Object two) method and after running for 10 minutes on a multiplexed array of synchronized Cray XMTs, the answer is ...
> > > Nah, but we know too that just about no-one is
> > gonna
> > > learn programming in 21 days either ... so the
> > > promise or lack thereof is really meaningless.
> >
> > I wonder which one would be quicker though?
> >
> > After all it might seem relatively easy to groom a
> > well behaved toy poodle but what does it take to
> deal
> > with a vicious irish wolfhound?
> >
> > And it is easier to be incompetent for 20 years in
> > dog grooming or in computer programming?
>
> I ran this through my
> getSupremeUltimateCompetancyComparisonFinderMethod(Obj
> ect one, Object two) method and after running for 10
> minutes on a multiplexed array of synchronized Cray
> XMTs, the answer is ...
moo?
> > > > Nah, but we know too that just about no-one is
> > > gonna
> > > > learn programming in 21 days either ... so the
> > > > promise or lack thereof is really meaningless.
> > >
> > > I wonder which one would be quicker though?
> > >
> > > After all it might seem relatively easy to groom
> a
> > > well behaved toy poodle but what does it take to
> > deal
> > > with a vicious irish wolfhound?
> > >
> > > And it is easier to be incompetent for 20 years
> in
> > > dog grooming or in computer programming?
> >
> > I ran this through my
> >
> getSupremeUltimateCompetancyComparisonFinderMethod(Obj
>
> > ect one, Object two) method and after running for
> 10
> > minutes on a multiplexed array of synchronized
> Cray
> > XMTs, the answer is ...
>
> moo?
moo he says ... hmmm ... no of course not. But as long as you asked I'll tell ya ... the answer to "I wonder which one would be quicker though?" is ... dog grooming ... by a nose!
Thanks to jverd and all. Just what I wanted to hear - reassuring words of courage to soothe my nerves.
Be prepared for more dumb questions though.
ue_Joe.
