Having just purchased staroffice 8, and found with some disappointment that I then had to install an update, I now have staroffice 8 (v5?) installed, occupying about .25GB, and the update occupying about .5GB, which seems a lot of space in aggregate. Can I now uninstall staroffice 8, and run the update, or must I keep both items installed? In other words, is the update a substitute, or an increment?
Monday, May 07, 2007
When SO8 updates, it replaces and adds files. In the case of update 6 the major addition was to use the HunSpell thesaurus.
When an update takes place, the old files are renamed with what I think is a build number. If the update is working, then those backup files can be deleted.
I locate them all by doing a file search in PowerDesk for all files in the Sun Folder with the backup extension. Then I delete using the delete option in PowerDesk's File Finder.
Phil
I was thinking in terms of uninstalling the original staroffice 8v5 via uninstall programs in the control panel, It is shown separately from the update in the population list. Alternatively, one could uninstall the lot and just install the update. Would these ideas work, or am I left with an installation of about .75GB? 0.5GB seems a lot for a spell checker, and it would be nice to get some of my hard drive back!
Ps I can now answer my own question. Thinking that the installation files on the desktop must be redundant, I deleted them and then found that the software no longer functioned. So I then performed the experiment of installing just the update, but it would not install, so obviously both the v5 download and the update must be installed. The space occupied by the program files and desktop files for these two installations is in excess of 1.1GB, it seems to me. I am surprised by this. Is this the general experience?
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Monday 07 May 2007
> Ps I can now answer my own question. Thinking that
> the installation files on the desktop must be
> redundant, I deleted them and then found that the
> software no longer functioned.
After the installation of SO, one needs to run it once before deleting the installation files. After it is run once, then one can delete the installation files. The same is true after installing an update.
> So I then performed
> the experiment of installing just the update, but it
> would not install,
As you discovered, the update is as it is described an update which means it needs an installed program it update.
> so obviously both the v5 download
> and the update must be installed. The space occupied
> by the program files and desktop files for these two
> installations is in excess of 1.1GB, it seems to me.
> I am surprised by this. Is this the general
> experience?
After installation and running the program once, whether it is an installation or an update, you can delete a variety of files.
[1] The installation files
[2] Language files which you do not need in templates and help
[3] Dictionaries which you do not need
[4] Backup files left after and update--identified by the build number (*.9111 for example)
My laptop installation is 395MB and my USB stick installation is 444MB (it includes the profile files)
My laptop has the profile installed in My Documents and Settings which explains the difference in size. You can gain more space if you do not use the sample graphics.
Phil
Thanks for this very helpful reply.
I might add to my previous comments that in calculating the 1.1GB, I had not included the 0.3-0.5GB of Java and JSE runtime software and updates that I installed in the process of installing StarOffice!
Do you mean that all I have to do is open and close each of the 5 component programs, and that I shall then be free to delete the 2 installation folders that the installation process placed on my desktop? I am surprised to infer that I had not done so before my unsuccessful attempt to dispense with the installation folders previously, though I may have opened only one or more of the component programs. Is opening all that is required?
I think I have identified all of the files that you said I might delete, except that I have found only one dictionary folder - staroffice 8/share/dict - I am not sure what it is for or what part of it you would delete? Also, I have found lots of files ending .9134. I take it you would delete every one of them. How can I verify that 9134 is the build no? All I get from the help/about file is staroffice 8 update 6. Do these files serve any purpose, for example in relation to uninstalling the software, or in respect of future updates? It seems odd that they were left lying around after the installation if they may as well be deleted.
Do you know whether there is similar junk lying around in respect of the Java and JSE runtime updates?
Tuesday 08 May 2007
> I might add to my previous comments that in
> calculating the 1.1GB, I had not included the
> 0.3-0.5GB of Java and JSE runtime software and
> updates that I installed in the process of installing
> StarOffice!
Since I use Java for other things including my email program, I include it with the operating environment. I do regularly cleanup the java installations, uninstalling/deleting old ones.
That said, if you started with SO8 before the updates or added HunSpell utilities, your SO folder alone could reach 1.1GB.
> Do you mean that all I have to do is open and close
> each of the 5 component programs, and that I shall
> then be free to delete the 2 installation folders
> that the installation process placed on my desktop?
Only run one--I usually only run Writer.
> I am surprised to infer that I had not done so
> before my unsuccessful attempt to dispense with the
> installation folders previously, though I may have
> opened only one or more of the component programs.
>Is opening all that is required?
Just the one. I found out about this the hard way, deleting the folder before running once.
> I think I have identified all of the files that you
> said I might delete, except that I have found only
> one dictionary folder - staroffice 8/share/dict - I
> am not sure what it is for or what part of it you
> would delete?
The last update added some HunSpell files and updated the Franklin Proximity files. The old ones would have a number extension.
> Also, I have found lots of files
> ending .9134. I take it you would delete every one
> of them. How can I verify that 9134 is the build no?
9134 is the update 6 build number. The files with that extension are the old files. I back them up in a ZIp file and burn the Zip to CD. Then I delete. In one case I have recovered a file from a Zip after deletion.
> All I get from the help/about file is staroffice 8
> update 6.
Build number is found by typing ^S^D^T when the About StarOffice is open.
> Do these files serve any purpose, for
> example in relation to uninstalling the software, or
> in respect of future updates?
Near as I can tell if you were to select uninstall the update, then the new files would be deleted and the ones with the build number would have their original names restored. They are not used in future updates.
> It seems odd that
> they were left lying around after the installation
> if they may as well be deleted.
One of the things which was not improved with SO8 over SO7 was how backup files were identified. SO7 puts them in a separate backup folder.
> o you know whether there is similar junk lying around
> in respect of the Java and JSE runtime updates?
Java updates all are independent, not cumulative, so once one is installed the others can be removed.
Phil
> Tuesday 08 May 2007
>
> > I might add to my previous comments that in
> > calculating the 1.1GB, I had not included the
> > 0.3-0.5GB of Java and JSE runtime software and
> > updates that I installed in the process of
> installing
> > StarOffice!
>
> Since I use Java for other things including my email
> program, I include it with the operating environment.
> I do regularly cleanup the java installations,
> uninstalling/deleting old ones.
>
> That said, if you started with SO8 before the updates
> or added HunSpell utilities, your SO folder alone
> could reach 1.1GB.
>
> > Do you mean that all I have to do is open and
> close
> > each of the 5 component programs, and that I shall
> > then be free to delete the 2 installation folders
> > that the installation process placed on my
> desktop?
>
> Only run one--I usually only run Writer.
>
> > I am surprised to infer that I had not done so
> > before my unsuccessful attempt to dispense with
> the
> > installation folders previously, though I may have
> > opened only one or more of the component programs.
> >Is opening all that is required?
>
> Just the one. I found out about this the hard way,
> deleting the folder before running once.
>
> > I think I have identified all of the files that
> you
> > said I might delete, except that I have found only
> > one dictionary folder - staroffice 8/share/dict -
> I
> > am not sure what it is for or what part of it you
> > would delete?
>
> The last update added some HunSpell files and updated
> the Franklin Proximity files. The old ones would
> have a number extension.
I gather from this that I will delete any dictionary files that you would delete by deleting the files ending .9134.
>
> > Also, I have found lots of files
> > ending .9134. I take it you would delete every
> one
> > of them. How can I verify that 9134 is the build
> no?
>
> 9134 is the update 6 build number. The files with
> that extension are the old files. I back them up in
> a ZIp file and burn the Zip to CD. Then I delete.
> In one case I have recovered a file from a Zip after
> deletion.
>
> > All I get from the help/about file is staroffice 8
> > update 6.
>
> Build number is found by typing ^S^D^T when the About
> StarOffice is open.
I do not seem to have the upside-down v symbol at my disposal. What is it?
>
> > Do these files serve any purpose, for
> > example in relation to uninstalling the software,
> or
> > in respect of future updates?
>
> Near as I can tell if you were to select uninstall
> the update, then the new files would be deleted and
> the ones with the build number would have their
> original names restored. They are not used in future
> updates.
>
> > It seems odd that
> > they were left lying around after the installation
> > if they may as well be deleted.
>
> One of the things which was not improved with SO8
> over SO7 was how backup files were identified. SO7
> puts them in a separate backup folder.
>
> > o you know whether there is similar junk lying
> around
> > in respect of the Java and JSE runtime updates?
>
> Java updates all are independent, not cumulative, so
> once one is installed the others can be removed.
My control panel>add/remove programs reveals J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0, updates 6&7, and also Java (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6 and Java (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6 Update 1. Can I uninstall J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0, update 6 and Java (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6? If so, will the uninstall leave junk files lying around, like the .9134 files?
Tom
Wednesday, May 09, 2007
Hi Tom!
> I gather from this that I will delete any dictionary
> files that you would delete by deleting the files
> ending .9134.
Yes and if you can tell the languages which you will need, you can delete the ones you will not be using.
This is an old list of spell checking languages which come with SO8. I have not updated for a while and Update 6 was a major language update, so there could be more languages now. The letters following a language indicate components (S[pellcheck] H[yphenation] T[hesaurus]).
Catalan - SH
*Danish - S
Dutch (Netherlands) - SHT
English (Australian) - SHT
English (Canadian) - SHT
English (Eire) - SHT
English (UK) - SHT
English (USA) - SHT
*Finnish - S
French (Canada) - SHT
French (France) - SHT
German (Germany) - SHT
German (Switzerland) - SHT
Hungarian - SH
Italian (Italy) - SHT
Norwegian (Bokm錶) - SHT
Norwegian (Nynorsk) - SH
Polish - SH
Portuguese (Brazil) - SH
Portuguese (Portugal) - SH
Russian - SH
Spanish (Spain) - SHT
Swedish (Sweden ) - SHT
Turkish - SH
> I do not seem to have the upside-down v symbol at my
> disposal. What is it?
Opps--techie shorthand from my CP/M days. ^ before a letter means Ctrl-Letter. I should have written Ctrl-S Ctrl-D Ctrl T.
> My control panel>add/remove programs reveals J2SE
> Runtime Environment 5.0, updates 6&7, and also Java
> (TM) SE Runtime Environment 6 and Java (TM) SE
> Runtime Environment 6 Update 1. Can I uninstall
> J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0, update 6 and Java (TM)
> SE Runtime Environment 6?
Check your folder System structure, but the redundant versions should be all listed separately under Program Files/Java. That means you can delete them.
> If so, will the uninstall
> leave junk files lying around, like the .9134 files?
Usually everything would be deleted but files which have put in the folders. If you installed off the web the MSI installation files may be somewhere.
Phil
Many thanks for all this advice.
I have deleted non 'en' languages from the help file, deleted the 9134 files, deleted the installation files after having run SO, and uninstalled the old versions of java and J2SE. It has all worked very well, and released lots of space.
I should think that if all of this could be incorporated in some wizard or in the intallation processes for the updates, it would be good for all.
Ps
I have just found another 92.3 MB of stuff lying around on my hard drive in a folder entitled OpenOfficeorg 2.0 Installation Files, located in C: Drivers. I wonder whether this is the OpenOffice equivalent of the installation folder for StarOffice that was placed on my desktop, and whether it could have been deleted after OpenOffice had been run for the first time. However that may be, I wonder whether I may delete it without having any untoward effect on the system or on StarOffice, since I uninstalled OpenOffice after installing StarOffice.
Wednesday, May 16, 2007
I agree that SO8 could handle the cleanup after installation better, or at least include a macro which would do it for the user. That would get around the problem of having to run SO once before deleting the installation files.
> I have just found another 92.3 MB of stuff lying
> around on my hard drive in a folder entitled
> OpenOfficeorg 2.0 Installation Files, located in C:
> Drivers. I wonder whether this is the OpenOffice
> equivalent of the installation folder for StarOffice
> that was placed on my desktop, and whether it could
> have been deleted after OpenOffice had been run for
> the first time. However that may be, I wonder
> whether I may delete it without having any untoward
> effect on the system or on StarOffice, since I
> uninstalled OpenOffice after installing StarOffice.
OOo and SO can coexist on the same system. I have SO7, SO8 and OO2.x all coexisting. Their installation and running is indepedent. So, since have deleted OOo, you can delete the installation files. You could also delete the OOo profile in Documents and Settings.
Phil
Thanks yet again. I take it by profile you mean the OOo file in Application data.
Another odd thing is that a folder entitled 'adabas' turned up on one of my external hard drives. Or maybe I moved it there and have forgotten. Maybe it was another one of those 'installation' files. Anyhow, I cannot work out what the relevance of adabas is here. I know that it is the name of a database application. The help file suggests that it is not installed on Windows systems. Perhaps it is a substitute for StarOffice Base on Apple systems, or maybe an additional data base program, but if the latter I cannot find it. Can you offer any clues, please?
Saturday, May 19, 2007
> Thanks yet again. I take it by profile you mean the
> OOo file in Application data.
Yes.
> Another odd thing is that a folder entitled 'adabas'
> turned up on one of my external hard drives. Or
> maybe I moved it there and have forgotten. Maybe it
> was another one of those 'installation' files.
> Anyhow, I cannot work out what the relevance of
> adabas is here. I know that it is the name of a
> database application. The help file suggests that
> it is not installed on Windows systems. Perhaps it
> is a substitute for StarOffice Base on Apple
> systems, or maybe an additional data base program,
> but if the latter I cannot find it. Can you offer
> any clues, please?
I installed it with SO7 and have never used it. There is an installer for it in my SO8 folder, but when it came I do not know. I started using SO8 in beta.
Phil
I have now discovered how to create adabas database files - in the database wizard choose connect to an existing database and then select adabas, then browse for the name of a database to connect to and select to create a new database. It seems that you then open the file in SO Base, but get some extra funcionality, and wonder what purpose it would serve?
I did all this as an experiment and then found that I could not delete the adabas installation folder into which the new files were placed. I have therefore uninstalled adabas (since I actively dislike programs that make files undeletable) and deleted as much of the installation folder as possible. Attempts at deletion produce an error message that the file is in use, but finally I was able to delete the files after restarting the computer.
Saturday, May 26, 2007
> I have now discovered how to create adabas database
> files - in the database wizard choose connect to an
> existing database and then select adabas, then browse
> for the name of a database to connect to and select
> to create a new database. It seems that you then
> open the file in SO Base, but get some extra
> funcionality, and wonder what purpose it would
> serve?
If my memory is working, acabas was included with SO7 as the base program which OOo 1.1.x lacked. I use Sidekick for Windows for my database files, so cannot really comment on using SO databases. I suspect the files are still around with SO8 for compatibility purposes.
> I did all this as an experiment and then found that I
> could not delete the adabas installation folder into
> which the new files were placed. I have therefore
> uninstalled adabas (since I actively dislike programs
> that make files undeletable) and deleted as much of
> the installation folder as possible. Attempts at
> deletion produce an error message that the file is in
> use, but finally I was able to delete the files after
> restarting the computer.
Because of SO Quick Start, drives and and files can be locked. If you can recognize the programs causing the lock, the Windows Task Manager can "kill" them. Otherwise one has to reboot.
Phil