how would you describe your software
hello
as you are supposed to be good programmers ......
have any one asked you this question before ..."WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR SOFTWARE !!"
any one knows any good paper or document about this subject ?
the best way to do it ?
how to start ?
what to speak about ?
do I have to speak about tech things ?
is there a model to apply ?
what is the best way to show the difference between my software and another ..?
thank you in advance
my current project? a hideous, doomed mess
> my current project? a hideous, doomed messAre we in the same team?
ok If I say this to my boss ,I will have all the time to answer every one in this fourm ....:-)
> ok If I say this to my boss ,I will have all the time> to answer every one in this fourm ....:-)nah, you'd soon get another job
The Six Million Dollar Man Software..because it is an expensive money pit of a maintenance nightmare and it is a bastardization of several different technologies that were never meant to work together.VB, Java, C++, SQR, Oracle and Microsoft.
Unless you've had to work with Oracle's BPEL technology, honey, you don't know what mess is.Just my HO.
> ok If I say this to my boss ,I will have all the time> to answer every one in this fourm ....:-)Nah, they'll likely say "now there's a straight shooter with upper management written all over him. "
ok as no one gave me a real good idea here is the best I have found
I had a look at the presentation of windows vista ,I think they are the best in marketings :-)
it gave me some good idea ,how to describe my programme ....
ps:I know that I made a mistake since I'm LinuxChild
> ok as no one gave me a real good idea here is the> best I have found well, in our defence, you didn't really phrase the question very well
> Unless you've had to work with Oracle's BPEL
> technology, honey, you don't know what mess is.
>
>
> Just my HO.
Doc,
Would be so kind as to elaborate on Oracle's BPEL implementation?
I have my own feelings on their product but I would be interested to hear why you feel that way.
TKS
PS.
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It's a hyper-encephalic mongoloid gorilla
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What exactly are you asking? How should you describe it from a marketing standpoint? How should you describe it to a potential employer?
What are you after?
I'm a little confused not that that's surprising.
PS.
> Unless you've had to work with Oracle's BPEL technology, honey, you don't know what mess is.
To be fair, when I worked on BPEL, it was in beta. We were suffering, and
Oracle sent us a "BPEL expert". When we described what we wanted him
to do, he looked at his watch, laughed and said, "Looks like it's going to
be a short workday for me". [...] Three weeks later, he crawled away. Later,
they sent us a very experienced developer. We told him of all the bugs
in BPEL we were having to work around, and he reassured us that
it had been thoroughly tested, and didn't think we had been really finding
bugs on the Oracle side. [...] It wasn't long before I saw him sheepishly
submitting bug reports.
My feeling on Oracle is that there are some things they do well: their
core database stuff. But there trying to deliver the whole application stack,
and they're not that good in other areas. They also make you constantly
chase them as they keep upgrading and rolling out new technologies.
The blame for the whole mess goes to a senior manager, who moved
out of the project before it hit the fan. He agreed to use BPEL because
we were an "oracle shop". Ha! Yes, we used oracle databases, but
we had no experience with other oracle products. We were also sold
a chain a technologies that were never demonstrated to work together,
and it took us months and months to get anything up and running that
demonstrated an end-to-end run of the system.
End of rant. I hated that assignment so badly. I spent most of my time
sitting in the stairwell.
> Would be so kind as to elaborate on Oracle's BPEL implementation?
I also have a general gripe with the whole paradigm of programming via
writing flowcharts. Flowcharts have their place in modeling and documentation,
but if they were suitable as a programming language, we'd all be coding
in them. What other flowchart programming language do you know that
is in common use?
> hello
> as you are supposed to be good programmers ......
> have any one asked you this question before ..."WOULD
> YOU DESCRIBE YOUR SOFTWARE !!"
1) Stop shouting.
2) That's not a question.
3) Even if you turn it into a quesiton, it's a rather vague and meaningless one.
4) My software is mauve, because that has the most RAM.
> To be fair, when I worked on BPEL, it was in beta. We
> were suffering, and ...
Thank you Doc, I appreciate the input. As I said I've got my own views on their SOA Suite and everything that goes with it but I wanted to get another opinion from someone who'd dealt with it.
I agree completely, Oracle makes a whiz bang database but personally I'd be happier if they stuck to that instead of trying to stick their fingers into other pies.
But then again I have that same feeling about most technology vendors who branch out too far too quickly.
My biggest gripe with their SOA Suite started when I downloaded their evaluation version and went through the trouble to unpack their cpio and when I ran the shell script to install it it blithely informed me that it was only compatible with three flavors of linux, and none of them were the one that I use.
Grr and other comments.
Thanks again,
PS.
the only way....1>> poor2>>Very BAd3>>Useless4>>vulernable&total waste of time5>>it $uck$
My software is ALIVE! *maniacal mad scientist voice* IT IS ALIVE! RISE MY CHILDREN(AND PARENT CLASSES)!
> as you are supposed to be good programmers ......
I try to do my best but most of the time I fail!
> have any one asked you this question before ..."WOULD
> YOU DESCRIBE YOUR SOFTWARE !!"
If that was a question that the answer would 'yes' if someone would take some interest in what I do, which rarly happens :)
> any one knows any good paper or document about this
> subject ?
How to write a document to describe your software you mean? User Documentation? Bussiness Plan (to hook your manager)? Technical Documentation? ... depends on what you mean by describing your software.
> the best way to do it ?
As simple as it needs to be understood. Your manager is not intrested in what code was involved, what a good programmer you are or anything related to you .. only intrested about the amount of $ it will give him!
> how to start ?
> what to speak about ?
> do I have to speak about tech things ?
> is there a model to apply ?
> what is the best way to show the difference between
> my software and another ..?
All the above depend on who is the intended audiance of this document. If it is for your manager then I guess you are aiming to develop some type of Bussiness Plan which tries to market your project with your manager by displaying profit figures against time required and resources.
> thank you in advance
...
Regards,
Sim085
>
> My feeling on Oracle is that there are some things
> they do well: their
> core database stuff. But there trying to deliver the
> whole application stack,
hmm, tell that to our DBAs...
> The blame for the whole mess goes to a senior
> manager, who moved
But you will be the fallman, because you're low enough on the corporate ladder to be disposable.
hello again sorry I was out of the office today but I would like to thank you and thanks Vista
> But you will be the fallman, because you're low
> enough on the corporate ladder to be disposable.
Months after I left, they mailed my a citation commending
me for the work I did on that project. leave it to the government
to pass out the awards on a project that everyone working on
felt should be shot, to put it and them out of their misery.
> > To be fair, when I worked on BPEL, it was in beta.
> We
> > were suffering, and ...
>
> Thank you Doc, I appreciate the input. As I said I've
> got my own views on their SOA Suite and everything
> that goes with it but I wanted to get another opinion
> from someone who'd dealt with it.
>
> I agree completely, Oracle makes a whiz bang database
> but personally I'd be happier if they stuck to that
> instead of trying to stick their fingers into other
> pies.
>
> But then again I have that same feeling about most
> technology vendors who branch out too far too
> quickly.
>
> My biggest gripe with their SOA Suite started when I
> downloaded their evaluation version and went through
> the trouble to unpack their cpio and when I ran the
> shell script to install it it blithely informed me
> that it was only compatible with three flavors of
> linux, and none of them were the one that I use.
You have me a bit confused here PS. I thought you disliked a company that branched out too quickly but then you are mad that they only support 3 flavors of linux - or was it more that you would have liked to have known before all the work of downloading and unpacking thei cpio that it wasn't going to work ? I found it to almost be a contradictory post ;-)
> hello
> as you are supposed to be good programmers ......
no, the normal curve applies
some of us programmers suck, some of us rock, but most just cut & paste
> have any one asked you this question before ..."WOULD
> YOU DESCRIBE YOUR SOFTWARE !!"
no, never, i believe you'd get your a$$ kicked for saying something like that
> any one knows any good paper or document about this
> subject ?
are you asking what makes software good or good software? i suppose whether or not your boss and/or clients are smiling or yelling at you is a good indicator
> the best way to do it ?
doggy style i guess, are we still talking about software?
> how to start ?
what? code? notepad i guess, for you anyway
> what to speak about ?
best to keep your mouth shut
> do I have to speak about tech things ?
again, best not to speak
> is there a model to apply ?
again, cut & paste
> what is the best way to show the difference between
> my software and another ..?
not important since you've never written any
> > hello
> > as you are supposed to be good programmers ......
>
> no, the normal curve applies
> some of us programmers suck, some of us rock, but
> most just cut & paste
>
> > have any one asked you this question before
> ..."WOULD
> > YOU DESCRIBE YOUR SOFTWARE !!"
>
> no, never, i believe you'd get your a$$ kicked for
> saying something like that
>
> > any one knows any good paper or document about
> this
> > subject ?
>
> are you asking what makes software good or good
> software? i suppose whether or not your boss and/or
> clients are smiling or yelling at you is a good
> indicator
>
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I believe that there are some people who are too frustrated in their job to give answers like this
or may be this is you own way of houmar ... but I belive it is not universal any way
