DSN and mailgroup

Hi all,

I have Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) and I manage mailgroup, such as:

mgrpBroadcasterPolicy: NO_REQUIREMENTS

mgmanHidden: false

mgmanMemberVisibility: Closed

mgmanJoinLocalType: MOG

mgmanJoinability: Closed

mgrpRFC822MailMember: pino@csi.it

mgrpRFC822MailMember: poro@yahoo.com

mgrpRFC822MailMember: gino@csi.it

mgrpRFC822MailMember: goggo@csi.it

multiLineDescription: mail gruppo di prova

mailHost: srvmst.csi.it

mgrpMsgRejectAction: REPLY

objectClass: top

objectClass: groupofuniquenames

objectClass: mailgroup

objectClass: mailgroupmanagement

mail: prova@csi.it

cn: Gruppo eversivo

description: CSI Experiment

If a local mailaccount can't receive, I see that DSN is sent to the mail of mailgroup instead of return-path (the sender).

In the example above,

If <ciccio@tiscali.it> send mail to <prova@csi.it> and local account <gino@csi.it> can't recevice, then the DSN is sent to <prova@csi.it> and not to <ciccio@tiscali.it>.

I would like that DSN are sent to return path of original mail, and not to the address list. What I have to do?

I thank you very much

Best Regards

Marco

[1320 byte] By [ziopinoa] at [2007-11-26 15:35:31]
# 1

Hi,

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> If a local mailaccount can't receive, I see that DSN

> is sent to the mail of mailgroup instead of

> return-path (the sender).

Correct. This is what distinguishes a mailing group from a mailing list.

> In the example above,

> If <ciccio@tiscali.it> send mail to <prova@csi.it>

> and local account <gino@csi.it> can't recevice, then

> the DSN is sent to <prova@csi.it> and not to

> <ciccio@tiscali.it>.

Yep expected behaviour.

> I would like that DSN are sent to return path of

> original mail, and not to the address list. What I

> have to do?

I would advise that for the vast majority of cases, this is not a good idea. Ideally you should be sending the email to somebody who can do something about it (list maintainer/owner).

For example if "I" as a third party send an email to a mailing list which I have no idea who maintains, or how to get it fixed, what use is it to send me a bounce email if one of the mailing list recipients didn't get a copy? There is little I can do about it and it also exposes a member of the list (who you may want to keep hidden for some reason).

You can set who receives the bounce using the mgrperrorsto: attribute. This must resolve to a single email address (as the return-path: can only be a single address). e.g.

mgrperrorsto: list-owner@organisation.com

To get the 'old' iMS5.2 behaviour of bouncing back to the sender (which as I said earlier, is not advised), you can use the '/' address. (note: I know this works in the new 2006Q4 version, not sure whether it was back-ported to 2005Q4, so results may vary).

e.g.

mgrperrorsto: /

Regards,

Shane.

shane_hjortha at 2007-7-8 21:53:05 > top of Java-index,E-Mail, Calendar, & Collaboration,Sun Java System Messaging Server...
# 2

[...]

> To get the 'old' iMS5.2 behaviour of bouncing back to

> the sender (which as I said earlier, is not advised),

> you can use the '/' address. (note: I know this works

> in the new 2006Q4 version, not sure whether it was

> back-ported to 2005Q4, so results may vary).

>

> e.g.

>

> mgrperrorsto: /

Hi Shane,

I thank you very much, your explaination is clear.

As you say, this behaviour is right, but I have to obtain the old method. I migrate from old Messanging system, and my users *want* no change in notifications...

I tryed with mgrperrorsto: /, but it doesn't work with 2005Q4.

Where could I find 2006Q4 or a patch that do this?

If you know, if I open a case support to SUN they are able to solve promptly this problem, or is it a waste of time?

Thank you very much again

Best Regards

Marco

ziopinoa at 2007-7-8 21:53:05 > top of Java-index,E-Mail, Calendar, & Collaboration,Sun Java System Messaging Server...
# 3

Hi,

> I thank you very much, your explaination is clear.

> As you say, this behaviour is right, but I have to

> obtain the old method. I migrate from old Messanging

> system, and my users *want* no change in

> notifications...

Users can be fun that way.

> I tryed with mgrperrorsto: /, but it doesn't

> work with 2005Q4.

That is pretty much what I suspected. I just had a quick look at the feature list and the "/" parameter was indeed added to messaging server 6.3 (2006Q4)

> Where could I find 2006Q4 or a patch that do this?

You can't. They aren't available yet. We are hoping to release the full version of 2006Q4 in the march 2007 time frame. Patches for upgrade from 2005Q4 are released after this time.

> If you know, if I open a case support to SUN they are

> able to solve promptly this problem, or is it a waste

> of time?

At this point, a waste of time. They won't be able to tell you anything that I haven't already told you.

So you choices at this point are:

1. Go with the more appropriate mgrperrorsto: set to a postmaster/mailing list maintainer address.

2. Wait for 6.3 to come out and upgrade to that.

3. Tell users that you are going to go with (1) until (2) then change the mgrperrorsto: parameters across to "/".

Regards,

Shane.

shane_hjortha at 2007-7-8 21:53:05 > top of Java-index,E-Mail, Calendar, & Collaboration,Sun Java System Messaging Server...
# 4

[...]

> So you choices at this point are:

>

> 1. Go with the more appropriate mgrperrorsto: set to

> a postmaster/mailing list maintainer address.

>

> 2. Wait for 6.3 to come out and upgrade to that.

>

> 3. Tell users that you are going to go with (1) until

> (2) then change the mgrperrorsto: parameters across

> to "/".

>

> Regards,

>

> Shane.

Thank you very much Shane, I try to go on as you explain; waiting for march 2007 and 2006Q4.

Best Regards

Marco

ziopinoa at 2007-7-8 21:53:05 > top of Java-index,E-Mail, Calendar, & Collaboration,Sun Java System Messaging Server...