3-node sun cluster, does it require quorum disk/devices?

hi,i got a new 3node cluster, but i m confused if i should actually need a quorum disk/devices ?any inputs will be appreciated.nick
[159 byte] By [nickyng] at [2007-11-26 9:04:47]
# 1
Nick,a 3 node cluster doesn't need a quorum disk. 2 nodes will provide enough votes to keep the cluster alive if a third node fails. HTHciaogiorgio
fachiro at 2007-7-6 23:15:48 > top of Java-index,Solaris Operating System,Solaris Essentials - General Technical Questions...
# 2
Is it possible to setup a 2-node cluster without a quorum disk for testing purpose ?Thanks, -Salil
SalilG at 2007-7-6 23:15:48 > top of Java-index,Solaris Operating System,Solaris Essentials - General Technical Questions...
# 3

hi,

so is it an official SUN guideline that for 3node cluster we DO NOT require any quorum devices? is it a mandatory when we install sun clustering 3.1 that we hv to specify a quorum disk?

Reason being my vendor is commissioning my 3node cluster and specifying ONE quorum disk!! that will be 4votes for my 3node cluster! i find it ridiculous and shocked! but i need to have a firm feedback b4 i light my concern to them...

any guru can comment further? many thanks in advance.

nickyng at 2007-7-6 23:15:48 > top of Java-index,Solaris Operating System,Solaris Essentials - General Technical Questions...
# 4

Hello,

According to Sun Cluster Administration ES-338 :)

A Quorum device SHOULD contain user data

The MAXIMUM and OPTIMAL number of votes contributed by quorum should be num of of node votes minus 1 (N-1)

...and, finally:

Quorum devices are NOT required in a cluster of more than two nodes, but they are RECOMMENDED.

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, better thing (for a 3 node cluster) would be (if you have a quorum device in the first place) to have two quorum devices as you'll be able to survive two node failure (1node + 2quorums = +50% votes).

Thanks

darko15 at 2007-7-6 23:15:48 > top of Java-index,Solaris Operating System,Solaris Essentials - General Technical Questions...
# 5

There are 2 ways to solve the quorum problem for a 3 node cluster.

1. you do not define a QD. You then have 3 votes and you'll need 2 of them to form the cluster. Disadvantage. If 2 nodes fail, your cluster will not work any more.

2. you define a QD attached to all 3 nodes. Now you have 5 votes (3 from the nodes and 2 from the QD), and will need 3 to form the cluster. I.e. one(1) node plus the QD are sufficient to form a cluster.

Now, you can decide, depending on your needs, what you want.

And as you could see, a QD is not required for clusters with more than 2 nodes.

A 2-node cluster without a QD would be pretty useless, as any outage of one node would make your whole cluster fail.

Regards

H.

HartmutS at 2007-7-6 23:15:48 > top of Java-index,Solaris Operating System,Solaris Essentials - General Technical Questions...