zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case 'l'

Ray Tayek wrote:

> String s0Ol1="0Ol1"; // zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case

> 'l'

>

> try pasting the above in to a source file. it looks like s0011="0011"

> on 3.3.1 on a win98se system. somewhat annoying.

Change the font.

About seven years ago, I was using Metrowerks C++ on the Mac. They had

a font specifically for source editors, Monospaced yet with unconfusing

'O's and '0's, 'l's and '1's and oversized punctuation: ',;.:' etc. I

can't remember the name. Does anyone know of a font that works well in

an editor?

Tomm

>

Carr,Tomm at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

<DIV>The Andale Mono font is by far my favorite.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>A co-worker swears by Arial, variable width, (actually does look pretty

nice).</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Larry</DIV>

<DIV>
>>> TommCatt@computer.org 08/06/02 09:30PM

>>>
Does anyone know of a font that works well in an

editor?
</DIV>

Meadors,Larry at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

<DIV><SPAN class=101013819-07082002><FONT color=#000000 face=Tahoma size=2>Ok,

this might be a little off-topic for this list, but it applies to NB, and

someone else started it. :-) Anyone know how to add fonts (in Windows) so

they are available to Java apps (in particular, NetBeans)? Just yesterday

I was dealing with the same '1'/'l' problem myself.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=101013819-07082002><FONT color=#000000 face=Tahoma

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=101013819-07082002><FONT color=#000000 face=Tahoma

size=2>-Andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE>

<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"

size=2>--Original Message--
<B>From:</B> Larry Meadors

[mailto:Larry.Meadors@plumcreek.com]
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 07,

2002 8:35 AM
<B>To:</B> nbusers@netbeans.org
<B>Subject:</B> Re:

zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case

'l'

</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>The Andale Mono font is by far my favorite.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>A co-worker swears by Arial, variable width, (actually does look pretty

nice).</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Larry</DIV>

<DIV>
>>> TommCatt@computer.org 08/06/02 09:30PM

>>>
Does anyone know of a font that works well in an

editor?
</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

EWU at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

Any TTF font installed in windows the normal way (either dragging to

the "fonts" folder or choosing "install new font" from the File menu

in the fonts folder) should automatically be available to any Java

app. You may need to restart the application, though. I'm not sure

if Java caches the font list or not.

- Phil DeJarnett

"Andrew DeTorres (EWU)" <Andrew.DeTorres@ewu.ericsson.se> wrote in

message

news:netbeans.nbusers/D3DA237B27B7D311805600508B67129B059ABED0@eamsdnt

720.sd.us.am.ericsson.se...

Ok, this might be a little off-topic for this list, but it applies to

NB, and someone else started it. :-) Anyone know how to add fonts (in

Windows) so they are available to Java apps (in particular, NetBeans)?

Just yesterday I was dealing with the same '1'/'l' problem myself.

-Andy

--Original Message--

From: Larry Meadors [mailto:Larry.Meadors@plumcreek.com]

Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:35 AM

To: nbusers@netbeans.org

Subject: Re: zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case

'l'

The Andale Mono font is by far my favorite.

A co-worker swears by Arial, variable width, (actually does look

pretty nice).

Larry

>>> TommCatt@computer.org 08/06/02 09:30PM >>>

Does anyone know of a font that works well in an editor?

DeJarnett,Phil at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

At 01:40 PM 8/7/02 -0500, you wrote:

>Ok, this might be a little off-topic for this list, but it applies to NB,

>and someone else started it. :-) Anyone know how to add fonts (in

>Windows) so they are available to Java apps (in particular,

>NetBeans)? Just yesterday I was dealing with the same '1'/'l' problem myself.

the thing is if i past the 0Ol1 into a comment (i.e. to the right of //),

then it looks okay. does anyone else get this behaviour?

thanks

ray tayek http://home.attbi.com/~rtayek/ actively seeking telecommuting work

vice chair orange county java users group http://www.ocjug.org/

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Tayek,Ray at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

Ray Tayek wrote:

> At 08:30 PM 8/6/02 -0700, you wrote:

>

>> Change the font.

>

>

> not sure i should do that. if i paste the 0Ol1 on the right of the //

> (i.e make it a comment), then it is easy to see the differences. so it

> looks like netbeans is using a different font (or at least rendering

> it differently) in different areas.

Check the font settings for java comments. You could have them set to a

different font.

Tomm

Carr,Tomm at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

>

> Ray Tayek wrote:

>

> > String s0Ol1="0Ol1"; // zero and upper case 'o' and one and

> lower case

> > 'l'

> >

> > try pasting the above in to a source file. it looks like

> s0011="0011"

> > on 3.3.1 on a win98se system. somewhat annoying.

>

> Change the font.

>

> About seven years ago, I was using Metrowerks C++ on the Mac.

> They had

> a font specifically for source editors, Monospaced yet with

> unconfusing

> 'O's and '0's, 'l's and '1's and oversized punctuation:

> ',;.:' etc. I

> can't remember the name. Does anyone know of a font that

> works well in

> an editor?

>

In the "Good Old Days(TM)" when I used to have to handwrite my programs on

coding sheets before they were input to the system, we used to use an O with

a slash through it to denote zero, the "1's" had a distinctive hook at the

top, and we used continental style "7's" to distinguish them from the

distinctivley hooked "1's". It's always been a puzzle why there doesn't

appear to be a font like this for code editors.

Regards

Roger

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Varley,Roger at 2007-7-2 23:51:16 >

Hi,

> The last time the form was saved, NB crashed

We would really like to know more about this...

> I tried to open it in NB332 and NB34Rc1 without

> any success.

NB34Rc1 should provide some exception dump or more info why the

format is not recognized.

> Please help us, it's urgent...

If it's really urgent, then send the form file... I'm also curious what could

screw up.

- Tomas

-- Original Message --

From: "Gyula Szalai" <Gyula.Szalai@idom.hu>

To: <nbusers@netbeans.org>

Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:15 PM

Subject: The form format is not recognized

> Hi all!

>

> We have a form designed in NB 3.3.1.

> The last time the form was saved, NB crashed

> and since then we cannot open the form.

> We always get the following message:

>

> "The form format is not recognized"

>

> I checked the file for any incorrect characters

> or open tags or whatever but none found.

>

> I tried to open it in NB332 and NB34Rc1 without

> any success.

>

> Please help us, it's urgent...

>

> thanks in advance,

> Gyula

>

Pavek,Tomas at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I just

installed the Andale Mono font, and I'm trying it out now. I don't have

any problems with tabs not lining up. Then again, I use "convert tabs

to spaces".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Leave

it to Windows to require a restart when you add a font. But guess

what! They're lying, at least as far as Java/NetBeans is concerned.

I restarted NetBeans without restarting Windows (NT), and it found the

font.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>The

problem I had with Lucida Console (or Typewriter or whatever it is) is that the

braces look awful. I keep reverting to Courier New with previous fonts

I've tried.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Thanks

to all for the info.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

<DIV><SPAN class=571361816-09082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial

size=2>-Andy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

<BLOCKQUOTE>

<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"

size=2>--Original Message--
<B>From:</B> Tomm Carr

[mailto:TommCatt@computer.org]
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 07, 2002

4:36 PM
<B>To:</B> nbusers@netbeans.org
<B>Subject:</B> Re:

zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case

'l'

</FONT></DIV>Andrew DeTorres (EWU) wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE cite =

mid:D3DA237B27B7D311805600508B67129B059ABED0@eamsdnt720.sd.us.am.ericsson.se

type = cite>

<META content="MSHTML 4.72.3616.1301" name=GENERATOR>

<DIV><SPAN class=101013819-07082002><FONT color=#000000 face=Tahoma

size=2>Ok, this might be a little off-topic for this list, but it

applies to NB, and someone else started it. :-) Anyone know how to

add fonts (in Windows) so they are available to Java apps (in

particular, NetBeans)? Just yesterday I was dealing with the same

'1'/'l' problem myself.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I searched for and

found the Andele Mono font. The downloaded file was an executable

which installed the font in the window font directory. I haven't used

it yet because I need to restart first and that is not so easy.

<BLOCKQUOTE cite =

mid:D3DA237B27B7D311805600508B67129B059ABED0@eamsdnt720.sd.us.am.ericsson.se

type = cite>

<BLOCKQUOTE>

<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"

size=2>--Original Message--
<B>From:</B> Larry Meadors [<A

class=moz-txt-link-freetext

href="mailto:Larry.Meadors@plumcreek.com">mailto:Larry.Meadors@plumcreek.com </A>]
<B>Sent:</B>

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:35 AM
<B>To:</B> <A

class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated

href="mailto:nbusers@netbeans.org">nbusers@netbeans.org</A>
<B&g t;Subject:</B>

Re: [nbusers] zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case

'l'

</FONT></DIV>

<DIV>The Andale Mono font is by far my favorite.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>A co-worker swears by Arial, variable width, (actually does

look pretty nice).</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Larry</DIV>

<DIV>
>>> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated

href="mailto:TommCatt@computer.org">TommCatt@computer.org</A>

08/06/02 09:30PM >>>
Does anyone know of a font that

works well in an

editor?
</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>

</BLOCK QUOTE>

EWU at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I just noticed that Bold and Plain versions of Andale Mono are not the same width. If you're mixing Bold and Plain, that would mess up your tab alignment. (For what it's worth, I use only Plain with different foreground colors.)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>One combination that works: Plain 13 and Bold 12. Looks like the same width. Bold 12 is pretty ugly, though.</FONT>

</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>-Andy</FONT>

</P>

EWU at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >

Andrew DeTorres (EWU) wrote:

<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:D3DA237B27B7D311805600508B67129B059ABED8@eamsdnt720.sd.us.am.ericsson .se">

<meta content="MSHTML 4.72.3616.1301" name="GENERATOR">

<div><span class="571361816-09082002"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">

I just installed the Andale Mono font, and I'm trying it out now. I don't

have any problems with tabs not lining up. Then again, I use "convert tabs

to spaces".</font></span></div>

</blockquote>

The beginnings of the lines line up. It is the tabs in the middle that get

screwy. Example:

<pre> int someVar = 15; // tab before the "=" and the "//")

int someOther = 15; // tab before the "=" and the "//"

</pre>

I have used spaces in the second line to illustrate, but you can see what

it looks like. I DON'T convert tabs to spaces. As you can see above, I

like to line things up all through the line and spaces don't hack it.

<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:D3DA237B27B7D311805600508B67129B059ABED8@eamsdnt720.sd.us.am.ericsson .se">

<div><span class="571361816-09082002"></span> <span class="571361816-09082002"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">

Leave it to Windows to require a restart when you add a font. But guess

what! They're lying, at least as far as Java/NetBeans is concerned. I

restarted NetBeans without restarting Windows (NT), and it found the font.</font></span></div>

</blockquote>

Yes, but in all fairness it was the installer that lied to me, not Windows.

(I still can't figure how why a font needs an installer.)

Tomm

Carr,Tomm at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >

At 02:04 PM 8/8/02 +0100, you wrote:

>...

>In the "Good Old Days(TM)" when I used to have to handwrite my programs on

>coding sheets before they were input to the system, we used to use an O with

>a slash through it to denote zero, the "1's" had a distinctive hook at the

>top, and we used continental style "7's" to distinguish them from the

>distinctivley hooked "1's".

yes, ibm did it that way (using ebcdic). the ascii people slashed their zeroes.

> It's always been a puzzle why there doesn't

>appear to be a font like this for code editors.

i would have thought that lucida console would be good, but from the sample

at

http://www.codestyle.org/servlets/org.codestyle.FontSampler?class=Lucida&fo nt=Lucida,

it looks like the '1' and the 'l' are too similar.

thanks

ray tayek http://home.attbi.com/~rtayek/ actively seeking telecommuting work

vice chair orange county java users group http://www.ocjug.org/

mailto:chair@ocjug.org

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Tayek,Ray at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >

Peter Kelley wrote:

>Where did you get Andale Mono from ? I had a look on the MS site but

>they said they had discontinued their web core fonts program. I'm

>using Lucidia Console but it would be nice to have a change and

>Courier New is just plain ugly.

>

>

I'm not sure where I got it from. I did a google search and found it in

the first page of results.

Tomm

Carr,Tomm at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >

You can find slashed zero fonts (and Andale Mono) on

http://www.qsl.net/wa6axe/fonts.html

Eric

--Original Message--

From: Tomm Carr [mailto:TommCatt@computer.org]

Sent: mercredi 14 août 2002 08:23

To: nbusers@netbeans.org

Subject: Re: zero and upper case 'o' and one and lower case

'l'

Peter Kelley wrote:

>Where did you get Andale Mono from ? I had a look on the MS site but

>they said they had discontinued their web core fonts program. I'm using

>Lucidia Console but it would be nice to have a change and Courier New

>is just plain ugly.

>

>

I'm not sure where I got it from. I did a google search and found it in

the first page of results.

Tomm

Hartmann,Eric at 2007-7-2 23:51:18 >