General information about JATO.

OK,

We are finally ready to get off of ND4.

I'm doing some research about our next direction.

The way I understand it is that iMT will transform my ND apps into

J2EE apps using the JATO architecture. Where can I find more

information about JATO? I can't seem to find much on the iPlanet

site, or in general. Is it on a level with Struts? Does it only work

with iPlanet? I've contacted my iPlanet/Sun/NetDynamics rep about

starting this process, so maybe I will get more information then. It

just seems odd not to find it generally discussed. If I go with JATO,

am I just locking my self into another proprietary api (ala

NetDynamics)? Any general tips NetDynamics veterans can offer?

John Hoskins

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TDS

[979 byte] By [Guest] at [2007-11-25 9:26:51]
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John--

> I'm doing some research about our next direction.

> The way I understand it is that iMT will transform my ND apps into

> J2EE apps using the JATO architecture. Where can I find more

> information about JATO? I can't seem to find much on the iPlanet

> site, or in general.

Unfortunately, as much as we've been tirelessly promoting JATO for the last

year and a half, only now is significant public information *finally* going

to be made available. The link at the bottom of each forum email will be

live in a week or so, and will be the official public site for JATO. If

there isn't enough information there, we'll do what we can to get additional

information to you--just let us know your needs, or simply ask your

questions here. Many of you may not be aware that there is even a 10+

chapter JATO training class... We're trying very hard to make this sort of

material available to our external users.

> Is it on a level with Struts?

Since we're getting lots of these sorts of JATO questions lately, I've

posted the JATO overview white paper to the forum files area. I recommend

everyone read this 17 pager; it discusses what JATO is, what it aims to be,

and how it differs from other J2EE application frameworks. You can access

the white paper here:

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iPlanet-JATO/files/jato-overview.html">h ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/iPlanet-JATO/files/jato-overview.html</a>

> Does it only work with iPlanet?

NO! It is an application framework based on standard J2EE. It's been run

successfully in just about every container on the planet. Please see the

JATO presentations in the forum file area for more information:

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iPlanet-JATO/files/JATO%20Presentations/"&g t;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iPlanet-JATO/files/JATO%20Presentations/</a&g t;

> I've contacted my iPlanet/Sun/NetDynamics rep about

> starting this process, so maybe I will get more information then. It

We're working hard to get the word out to everyone in iPlanet/Sun.

Depending on who you talk to, you'll get someone very familiar with JATO, or

someone who's never heard of it. The reason for this is that JATO is not

being released as an official product, but is rather as a free developer

technology. JATO has now been chosen as part of the Sun ONE architecture,

so everyone both internally and externally will be hearing a lot more about

it in the near future. If your rep comes back to you and has no info on

JATO, please ask him or her to contact Charles Beckham or me for info.

Regardless, we're the architects and engineers hanging out here, so this is

the horse's mouth. <grin> All the JATO materials have been developed by us

personally (which is why they're somewhat slow in coming), so just ask us if

you have questions, here or in off-forum email, and we'll be glad to help.

> just seems odd not to find it generally discussed. If I go with JATO,

> am I just locking my self into another proprietary api (ala

> NetDynamics)? Any general tips NetDynamics veterans can offer?

Please read the white paper for information that I think will squarely

address this question. However, I will make these observations at least:

We've done everything possible to make JATO complementary to J2EE, and we

don't hide the underlying J2EE API from you. Instead, JATO applies

well-known, state-of-the-art, application-level design patterns to baseline

J2EE to help you build real-world J2EE enterprise apps. My experience is

that enterprise architects and developers find this far more of a benefit

than a hinderance. Furthermore, you get the source for JATO. (I've lobbied

long and hard to make JATO open source, but you can imagine how that fares

inside a huge company like iPlanet...)

Anyway, I could go on and on, but please read the white paper and see the

presentations, then let us know if you have additional questions. We'll be

glad to answer them.

Todd

--

Todd Fast

Senior Engineer

Sun/Netscape Alliance

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# 2

Thanks Namburi. In addition to the design notes, I urge everyone to read

the JATO overview white paper:

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iPlanet-JATO/files/jato-overview.html">h ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/iPlanet-JATO/files/jato-overview.html</a>

Where the design notes in the JATO distro were a matter of a few hours work

over a year ago, the white paper was just released in the last two weeks, is

more coherent, and contains far more detail.

Cheers,

Todd

--

Todd Fast

Senior Engineer

Sun/Netscape Alliance

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# 3

Thanks so much for the pointers. I am sure I will have further

questions once I go over the documentation.

John Hoskins.

In <a href="/group/SunONE-JATO/post?protectID=210083235237078198050118178206047166136 158139046209">iPlanet-JATO@y...</a>, "Todd Fast" <<a href="/group/SunONE-JATO/post?protectID=101233080150035167169232031248066208071 048">Todd.Fast@S...</a>> wrote:

>

> Anyway, I could go on and on, but please read the white paper and

see the

> presentations, then let us know if you have additional questions.

We'll be

> glad to answer them.

>

> Todd

>

> --

> Todd Fast

> Senior Engineer

> Sun/Netscape Alliance

> <a href="/group/SunONE-JATO/post?protectID=189233080150035131169232031248229208071 048">todd.fast@s...</a>

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